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Expand Up @@ -72,3 +72,179 @@ The shape fixture records only text configuration and safetensors header shapes
from the pinned publisher checkpoint. It contains no model weights or tokenizer
assets. Publisher weights are Apache-2.0; downloaded assets are not redistributed
by this family.

## FP8 quantization study (not shipped)

FP8 self-quantization of the attention and MLP projections was built and
measured on TensorRT 11.4 for the checkpoint above. It is not shipped: FP8 is
0.89x to 1.00x of BF16 on B200 and B300 for 8 to 2048 tokens (best projection
subset 0.97x to 1.02x), the plan is only 21% smaller, and FP8 does not build on
TensorRT 11.1 on B200. Quality is fine (SciFact nDCG@10 unchanged, mean cosine
0.9987, no NaN). This section records the recipe, the method and the numbers,
so that the study does not have to be repeated. The FP8 code was not merged;
this family has no FP8 build.

### Summary and decision

| Item | fp32 | BF16 | FP8 | FP8 vs BF16 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Time, 8 tokens, B200 / B300 | 4.398 / 4.603 ms | 1.437 / 1.402 ms | 1.494 / 1.429 ms | 0.96x / 0.98x |
| Time, 512 tokens, B200 / B300 | 7.853 / 7.799 ms | 2.557 / 2.436 ms | 2.853 / 2.745 ms | 0.90x / 0.89x |
| Time, 2048 tokens, B200 / B300 | 35.045 / 34.368 ms | 5.626 / 5.350 ms | 5.746 / 5.324 ms | 0.98x / 1.00x |
| Plan size (capacity 256, B200) | 1040.5 MiB | 524.2 MiB | 414.8 MiB | -21% |
| SciFact nDCG@10 (Transformers fp32 0.8409) | 0.8409 | 0.8425 | 0.8415 | unchanged |
| Cosine vs Transformers fp32, mean / min | 1.00000 / 1.0000 | 0.99997 / 0.9997 | 0.99870 / 0.9908 | small |
| Non-finite outputs (5683 inputs) | 0 | 0 | 0 | none |

Decision: do not ship FP8 for EmbeddingGemma2.

- Speed: no gain on B200 or B300 at any length (0.89x to 1.02x of BF16 over
all measured projection subsets). The plan is launch and attention bound:
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Supported by static analysis

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rg -n -F -e '1.02x' -e '1.01x' -e 'no gain' -e 'noise' -e 'variance' -e 'round' -e 'B300' -- families/embeddinggemma2/README.md || test "$?" -eq 1
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Qualify the "no gain" claim for the best projection subset.

The sentence says there is no gain at any length. The table reports B300 subset ratios of 1.01x and 1.02x. The 1.02x value is the best single subset at 2048 tokens. The README does not report variance for these values, and it does not say they are within noise. As written, the sentence contradicts the table. The full-model result (0.89x to 1.00x) supports the decision, so only the headline wording needs correction.

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 Decision: do not ship FP8 for EmbeddingGemma2.
 
-- Speed: no gain on B200 or B300 at any length (0.89x to 1.02x of BF16 over
-  all measured projection subsets). The plan is launch and attention bound:
+- Speed: no end-to-end gain on B200 or B300 at any length (0.89x to 1.00x of
+  BF16 for the full model). The best projection subset reaches 1.02x of BF16
+  (B300, 2048 tokens), a 2% difference with no variance reported. The plan is
+  launch and attention bound:
   639 layers (BF16) and 615 (FP8, B200) to 755 (FP8, B300) per call, about
   2 us per kernel at 8 tokens. The projection GEMMs are small (K = 512 or
   2048, N at most 2048): at 2048 tokens all 168 projections are about
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- Speed: no gain on B200 or B300 at any length (0.89x to 1.02x of BF16 over
all measured projection subsets). The plan is launch and attention bound:
- Speed: no end-to-end gain on B200 or B300 at any length (0.89x to 1.00x of
BF16 for the full model). The best projection subset reaches 1.02x of BF16
(B300, 2048 tokens), a 2% difference with no variance reported. The plan is
launch and attention bound:
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Review comment at @families/embeddinggemma2/README.md around lines 101 - 102:
Update the Speed summary to state that the full model shows no end-to-end gain,
with its 0.89x–1.00x BF16 range. Distinguish this from the best projection
subset’s 1.02x result on B300 at 2048 tokens, and note that variance is not
reported; leave the table and broader conclusions unchanged.

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639 layers (BF16) and 615 (FP8, B200) to 755 (FP8, B300) per call, about
2 us per kernel at 8 tokens. The projection GEMMs are small (K = 512 or
2048, N at most 2048): at 2048 tokens all 168 projections are about
0.46 TFLOP per call, about 0.3 ms at BF16 peak, so FP8 could shorten at most
about 6% of the 5.4 to 5.6 ms. The rest is the full-attention layers (head
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The peak-throughput estimate does not bound the possible FP8 saving.

The 0.3 ms value is the fastest possible time for the projections at BF16 peak. Measured projection time can be longer, so the "at most about 6%" ceiling is not supported. Either report measured per-projection timings and derive the bound from them, or remove the ceiling. The measured end-to-end speed (0.89x to 1.00x) still supports the decision not to ship.

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Remove the unsupported “at most about 6%” FP8-saving ceiling from the projection
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result and its stated conclusion.

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size 512, fp32 scores), norms, RoPE and elementwise layers. FP8 adds
Quantize work around each GEMM, which cancels the GEMM gain.
- Size: the BF16 embedding table (262144 x 512, 256 MiB) is half of the plan
and is not a GEMM, so the size gain stops at about 21%.
- FP8 vs fp32 is 1.6x to 6.5x faster, but BF16 alone gives all of that.

### Model

| Item | Value |
|---|---|
| Checkpoint | `google/embeddinggemma-2`, revision `914f7f89142e33e77833254d9c9b90c3cef7303b` (manifest revision), text backbone only |
| Model config | 24 layers, hidden 512, MLP 2048, 4 heads, head size 256 / 512, vocab 262144, 768-d output |
| Family precision | BF16 (fp32 is the second manifest; fp16 is rejected) |
| Batch | 1 (the family rejects `max_batch_size` above 1); the token count is the GEMM M size |

No ModelOpt FP8 or NVFP4 checkpoint exists. The public quantized repositories
are GGUF, MLX, LiteRT, ONNX and a W4A16 export, none usable here, so the
weights were self-quantized from the BF16 checkpoint.

### Recipe that was measured

No official FP8 config exists for this model. The recipe follows the ModelOpt
guidelines for small text encoders: every attention and MLP linear in FP8
W8A8. Every quantized projection is built as Quantize(FP8) -> Dequantize(BF16)
-> MatMul, with an FP8 weight constant.

| Choice | Decision |
|---|---|
| Quantized | q, k, v, o, gate, up, down of all 24 layers (168 projections). The attention is an explicit matmul with fp32 softmax, so `o_proj` builds in FP8 on TensorRT 11.4. |
| BF16 | embedding table, per-layer-input projections, norms, `embedding_projection` |
| Weight scale | per tensor, amax / 448, at build time |
| Activation scale | static, per tensor, ModelOpt 0.46.1 `FP8_DEFAULT_CFG` (max calibration) on the official model in BF16, scale = amax / 448 |
| Calibration data | 512 texts of `sentence-transformers/natural-questions` rows 0 to 255: 256 questions (query prefix) and 256 Wikipedia passages (document prefix) |
| Outlier rule | a scale above 20x the median of its kind is stored as `null` and stays BF16; none found (largest ratio: `down_proj` 4.4x) |
| Dequantize type | BF16 (the engine type; no overflow, no NaN) |
| Scale table key | model config plus a weight fingerprint; a missing scale is a build error |

Variants measured: q, k, v, o and MLP (the recipe, built twice); q, k, v and
MLP; MLP only; the recipe plus the per-layer-input projections.

### Method

- GPUs: B200 and B300, one job per GPU type, all variants built and timed
together with the family builder settings. TensorRT 11.4.0.106 (target),
then 11.1.0.106.
- Speed: CUDA graph replay, median of 9 interleaved rounds of 100 runs.
Capacity 256 for 8 to 256 tokens, capacity 2048 for 512 to 2048 tokens.
- Held-out quality data (not used for calibration): SciFact (BEIR) 300 test
queries and 5183 corpus documents (title and text, truncated to 256 tokens),
plus 200 natural-questions passages (rows 50000 to 50199, default role):
5683 inputs.
- Reference: the official Transformers model at the revision above (fp32 and
BF16), mean pooling and L2 normalization as the runtime does.

### Speed (TensorRT 11.4, ms)

| GPU | Tokens | fp32 | BF16 | FP8 (recipe) | FP8 vs BF16 | Best FP8 variant vs BF16 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| B200 | 8 | 4.398 | 1.437 | 1.494 | 0.96x | 0.97x (q, k, v, MLP) |
| B200 | 32 | 4.465 | 1.569 | 1.623 | 0.97x | 0.98x |
| B200 | 128 | 4.478 | 2.214 | 2.250 | 0.98x | 0.99x |
| B200 | 256 | 5.235 | 3.244 | 3.250 | 1.00x | 1.00x |
| B200 | 512 | 7.853 | 2.557 | 2.853 | 0.90x | 1.00x (q, k, v, MLP) |
| B200 | 1024 | 14.294 | 3.789 | 3.979 | 0.95x | 0.98x (MLP) |
| B200 | 2048 | 35.045 | 5.626 | 5.746 | 0.98x | 0.99x (MLP) |
| B300 | 8 | 4.603 | 1.402 | 1.429 | 0.98x | 0.99x (recipe, repeat build) |
| B300 | 32 | 4.637 | 1.528 | 1.553 | 0.98x | 0.99x |
| B300 | 128 | 4.549 | 2.128 | 2.150 | 0.99x | 0.99x |
| B300 | 256 | 5.152 | 3.117 | 3.138 | 0.99x | 1.00x (MLP) |
| B300 | 512 | 7.799 | 2.436 | 2.745 | 0.89x | 0.99x (q, k, v, MLP) |
| B300 | 1024 | 14.354 | 3.633 | 3.757 | 0.97x | 1.01x (q, k, v, MLP) |
| B300 | 2048 | 34.368 | 5.350 | 5.324 | 1.00x | 1.02x (MLP) |

Plan size (capacity 256, B200; B300 within 0.3%): fp32 1040.5 MiB, BF16
524.2 MiB, FP8 recipe 414.8 MiB (-21%), recipe plus per-layer-input
projections 403.0 MiB (-23%).

### Quality (TensorRT 11.4, B200, 5683 held-out inputs; B300 within 0.01 in every column)

| Build | Cosine vs Transformers fp32, mean / 1st percentile / min | SciFact nDCG@10 | Top-10 overlap | Top-1 agreement | Non-finite inputs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Transformers fp32 | - | 0.8409 | - | - | 0 |
| Transformers BF16 | - | 0.8409 | - | - | 0 |
| fp32 engine | 1.00000 / 1.0000 / 1.0000 | 0.8409 | 100.0% | 100.0% | 0 |
| BF16 engine | 0.99997 / 0.9999 / 0.9997 | 0.8425 | 97.8% | 99.3% | 0 |
| FP8 recipe | 0.99870 / 0.9963 / 0.9908 | 0.8415 | 92.4% | 97.3% | 0 |
| FP8 q, k, v, MLP | 0.99885 / 0.9967 / 0.9903 | 0.8443 | 92.5% | 97.3% | 0 |
| FP8 MLP only | 0.99913 / 0.9974 / 0.9946 | 0.8433 | 94.0% | 97.3% | 0 |
| FP8 recipe plus per-layer-input projections | 0.99851 / 0.9957 / 0.9875 | 0.8431 | 92.2% | 97.0% | 0 |

Top-10 overlap and top-1 agreement are against Transformers fp32 retrieval.
Retrieval quality (nDCG@10) is unchanged; the neighbor lists change more than
with the BF16 engine (92% vs 98% top-10 overlap). Non-finite scan: 0 in all
5683 inputs for every engine on both GPUs (11.4) and in 1500 inputs on 11.1
(B300).

The FP8 code did not change the unquantized builds: BF16 and fp32 plans have
the same layer counts as main (639 / 708), plan sizes within 0.002%, the same
latency and the same embeddings.

### TensorRT 11.1

- B300: FP8 builds; mean cosine 0.99856, no non-finite output; speed as on
11.4 (0.89x to 1.00x of BF16).
- B200: every FP8 build fails (`Error lowering to NVVM` on an `arith.divf`,
then `autotuner ... Must have costs`) for both capacities. BF16 and fp32
build. This is a TensorRT 11.1 FP8 problem on B200, not a problem on main.

### NVFP4 (not tried)

NVFP4 was not built. The projections are not bound by weight reads (K = 512 or
2048, 125M parameters in GEMMs; the plan is launch and attention bound), FP8
GEMMs already give no speed, and NVFP4 adds a dynamic activation-quantize
kernel per projection. The plan size would still be dominated by the BF16
embedding table.

### Found on the way

No problem on main was found.

### What was not tried

| Item | Note |
|---|---|
| Batch above 1 | the family supports batch 1 only |
| Percentile calibration, per-channel weight scales | not measured; quality is already fine |
| H100 | not measured |
| Native runtime with an FP8 bundle | not run; the engines were called from Python |

### How to reproduce

1. Calibrate per-tensor activation scales with ModelOpt `FP8_DEFAULT_CFG` on
the official model in BF16 with the calibration texts above.
2. Build the BF16 and FP8 bundles with the recipe above.
3. Time the engines with CUDA graph replay and compare the embeddings and the
SciFact retrieval with the official Transformers model.

### When to revisit

- A TensorRT release that lowers the per-layer launch cost or fuses the
Quantize into the preceding norm, so the FP8 GEMM gain shows.
- Batch support above 1, where the projection GEMMs grow.
- A need for the 21% smaller plan.
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