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docs(elf_flow): record why FP8 is not shipped - #2107
families/elf_flow builds the ELF-B flow models (embedded-language-flows/ELF-B-xsum, ELF-B-de-en, ELF-B-owt) as a TensorRT denoiser and decoder engine plus a T5-small encoder engine, and has no quantized build. The manifests use fp16 with blocks 5 to 11 in fp32 (xsum 1088 tokens, de-en 128 tokens) and fp32 for owt. No FP8 or NVFP4 checkpoint of ELF exists, so FP8 self-quantization of the four projections of each block was built and measured on TensorRT 11.4 and 11.1 (B200, B300). FP8 does not pay for this family: at the manifest precision, FP8 in the fp16 blocks gives 1.00x to 1.01x; FP8 in all blocks of an all-fp16 engine gives 1.01x to 1.04x. The only large speedup (1.7x to 1.9x on 11.1) comes from replacing the fp32 blocks with FP8, which removes the fp32 blocks the manifests keep for exact token agreement, and those engines do not build on TensorRT 11.4. This change adds a README for the family that records the study, like the yolov10 (#2093), bart (#2004), timesfm (#2005) and marian (#2035) studies, so that it does not have to be repeated. The FP8 code is not part of this change.
Exit Criteria
The README records the recipe, the method, speed and plan size on B200 and B300 (TensorRT 11.4, 11.1) at the manifest precision and for an all-fp16 engine, the FP8-in-fp32-blocks variant and its TensorRT 11.4 build failure, why there is no gain, NVFP4 and when to revisit.
No code, test, manifest or bundle change; builds are unchanged.
Non-goals: shipping FP8 or NVFP4 builds, an FP8 manifest or CI case, changing the fp32 blocks of the manifests.
Implementation
families/elf_flow/README.md (new): a short family description and the section "FP8 quantization study (not shipped)": summary and decision, recipe, method, results (manifest precision, all-fp16, FP8 in the fp32 blocks), NVFP4, what was not tried, when to revisit.
Recipe that was measured (code kept out of the repository):
FP8 for attn.qkv, attn.proj, mlp.w12, mlp.w3 of the 12 blocks (48 matmuls; 20 when only the fp16 blocks are quantized). Embedders, attention, final layers, decoder head and the T5 encoder stay unquantized.
Weights: per-tensor scale amax / 448 at build time. Activations: static per-tensor Quantize and Dequantize. fp16 Dequantize in fp16 blocks, fp32 Dequantize in fp32 blocks.
Why no gain: the model is small (12 blocks of 7M parameters) and one call is 0.6 ms to 2.6 ms in fp16, bound by launches, attention, norms and RoPE. At the manifest precision the fp32 blocks set the run time (an all-fp16 engine is 2.1x to 2.4x faster than the xsum and de-en manifest engines), and FP8 in the fp16 blocks does not change it.
Markdown check of the README (table column counts, code fences)
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git diff --check
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python3 tools/pr_metadata.py validate on this description
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The numbers in the README come from the local study and are not re-run by this change. Denoiser call, median ms, x is baseline time over FP8 time:
GPU
TensorRT
xsum manifest (1088) / FP8 fp16 blocks (x)
de-en manifest (128) / FP8 fp16 blocks (x)
all-fp16 1088 / FP8 all blocks (x)
B200
11.4
6.402 / 6.390 (1.002)
1.365 / 1.356 (1.007)
2.635 / 2.585 (1.019)
B300
11.4
5.618 / 5.601 (1.003)
1.256 / 1.248 (1.006)
2.542 / 2.484 (1.023)
B200
11.1
6.303 / 6.297 (1.001)
1.351 / 1.338 (1.009)
2.682 / 2.667 (1.006)
B300
11.1
5.768 / 5.744 (1.004)
1.252 / 1.245 (1.006)
2.592 / 2.545 (1.018)
FP8 in the fp32 blocks too: 1.72x to 1.86x over the xsum and de-en manifest engines and 2.68x over the owt fp32 engine on TensorRT 11.1, still slower than the all-fp16 engine of the same length; on TensorRT 11.4 these engines fail to build. All outputs of all built engines are finite.
Hardware, Environment, and Revisions
Repository: this commit on top of upstream/main at 5801406c.
Checkpoints: embedded-language-flows/ELF-B-xsum at 8150551968f826c4421cf6bdeff9d6e7b766e23d, ELF-B-de-en at c8120fb80e52d4056abb5378cb9acaef3da6e65a, ELF-B-owt at 506a81d3ed3b2475e9ae754bae308e10f765d327 (manifest revisions; the speed runs use synthetic weights of the same shapes, the fp16 check uses the real weights).
Study: B200 and B300, one GPU per job, TensorRT 11.4.0.106 (target) and 11.1.0.106. Engines built with the family's build_elf_flow_engine at the manifest precision, sequence length and fp32_layers; CUDA graph replay, median of 9 interleaved rounds (5 on 11.1).
Not Run / Remaining Gaps
No code was run for this change; the study cannot be rerun from this repository because the FP8 code was not merged.
Not measured: FP8 quality on the real weights and activation calibration (no FP8 variant at the manifest precision is faster), FP8 attention, H100, the native runtime with an FP8 bundle.
TensorRT 11.4 fails to build an fp32 block with FP8 Quantize and Dequantize in front of the fused fp32 attention (11.1 builds it). This affects only the study code; main has no FP8 layer in this family. No problem on main was found.
Contributor Self-Review
I have completed a self-review of this change.
Notes For Future Readers
Suggested review order: "Summary and decision", the manifest-precision table, "When to revisit".
Revisit FP8 only if the fp32 blocks can run FP8 within the token-agreement contract and TensorRT builds FP8 in front of the fused fp32 attention.
Risk level
Low
Medium
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Risk rationale: documentation only; one README added, no code, build, bundle or test change.
Add a README for the elf_flow family with the FP8 self-quantization
study of ELF-B on TensorRT 11.4 (B200, B300) and 11.1: recipe (FP8 on
the qkv, proj, w12 and w3 projections of the 12 blocks), measurement
method and speed at the manifest precision and for an all-fp16 engine.
At the manifest precision (fp16 with blocks 5 to 11 in fp32 for xsum
and de-en) FP8 in the fp16 blocks gives 1.00x to 1.01x; FP8 in all
blocks of an all-fp16 engine gives 1.01x to 1.04x. The model is small
and bound by launches and attention, and the fp32 blocks set the run
time. Replacing the fp32 blocks with FP8 is 1.7x to 1.9x faster on
11.1 but removes the fp32 blocks the manifests keep for exact token
agreement, and does not build on 11.4. FP8 is not shipped. NVFP4 was
not tried. No problem on main was found.
Documentation only; no code change.
Signed-off-by: Zhenshan Xie <zhenshanx@nvidia.com>
Adds families/elf_flow/README.md with ELF-B model and manifest details. It records an unshipped FP8 study, including measured recipes, timings, plan sizes, and TensorRT 11.4 build failures. The README explains why FP8 is not shipped: FP8 at manifest precision gives little speedup, while the larger reported gains remove fp32 blocks kept for exact token agreement. It also records that NVFP4 was not tested and lists conditions for revisiting FP8.
This change adds documentation only. The FP8 study was not rerun for this change.
Architecture impact
Family ownership: The new README belongs to families/elf_flow.
Shared surfaces: No shared code, manifests, bundles, tests, or build files changed.
Dependency direction: No new code dependency direction was introduced.
Affected consumers: Readers of the ELF Flow family documentation. No runtime consumer changes are indicated.
Unresolved blast-radius questions: The repository cannot reproduce the FP8 study because its code was not merged. The study measurements and build results were not independently revalidated for this change.
Review outcome: HUMAN REVIEW REQUIRED — confirm that the recorded study measurements and conclusions are appropriate to publish. No current review findings were supplied.
CI and test results: not available.
The ELF Flow README now describes model variants and manifest precisions, and records FP8 study methods, measurements, TensorRT build limitations, unmeasured variants, and conditions for revisiting FP8.
Changes: ELF Flow Documentation
Layer / File(s)
Summary
Model precision and study setup families/elf_flow/README.md
The README describes the ELF-B variants, manifest precisions, study hardware and TensorRT versions, timing procedure, and baseline quality checks.
FP8 recipes and measured results families/elf_flow/README.md
The README records the measured W8A8 recipe, FP8 performance and plan sizes, token-agreement requirement, and TensorRT build failure for FP8 in fused fp32 attention.
Unmeasured variants and revisit conditions families/elf_flow/README.md
The README lists untried or unmeasured variants and conditions for revisiting FP8, including real-weight quality checks.
The documentation could mislead future FP8 evaluations about speedups and OWT's acceptance gate. Correct or track these claims before relying on the study.
Architecture risk: Low · up to 23622
The change affects 1 system.
Changed systems:families
Architecture concerns
No architecture-level concerns identified.
Review details
Systems and components
observed — families (service) was modified; 1 changed file maps to changed impact.
Before / after behavior
observed — Modified behavior in families/elf_flow/README.md: The README introduces ELF Flow’s three ELF-B model variants, their TensorRT denoiser/decoder and T5-small encoder, and the token lengths and precision settings used by their manifests; it states that the family has no quantized build.
observed — Modified behavior in families/elf_flow/README.md: The README documents an FP8 study and its decision not to ship FP8. It reports small gains when quantizing fp16 blocks, larger gains when replacing fp32 blocks, the TensorRT 11.4 build failure for that variant, and the manifest’s token-agreement requirement and plan-size measurements.
observed — Modified behavior in families/elf_flow/README.md: The README records the measured dense-layer W8A8 recipe: which projections are quantized or retained, the weight and activation conversion steps and scales, and the dequantization types used for fp16 and fp32 blocks.
observed — Modified behavior in families/elf_flow/README.md: The README describes the GPUs, TensorRT versions, engine variants, timing procedure, output finite-value scan, and real-weight fp16 baseline quality checks; it states that FP8 quality on real weights was not measured.
Pre-merge checks: 8 · 1
Failed checks: 1 inconclusive
Check name
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Explanation
Resolution
Benchmark Validation Integrity
The new report compares baseline and FP8 denoiser call times using CUDA graph replay and the same round schedule. It says all built engines passed a non-finite scan. The study code was not merged, so …
Provide the study harness or equivalent evidence that shows the timed region, synchronization, transfers, and validation for both baseline and FP8 paths.
Passed checks: 8 passed
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Explanation
Title check
The title clearly and concisely describes the README’s purpose: recording why FP8 is not shipped for ELF Flow.
Description check
The description covers the required template sections, including background, exit criteria, implementation, change category, validation, environment, remaining gaps, self-review, and risk. It gives de…
Docstring Coverage
No eligible functions found in the changed files. Skipping docstring coverage check. Docstring coverage is scoped to functions touched by this diff with cyclomatic complexity of at least 2. Documentat…
Linked Issues check
Check skipped because no linked issues were found for this pull request.
Out of Scope Changes check
Check skipped because no linked issues were found for this pull request.
Family Ownership Boundary
The PR adds only families/elf_flow/README.md. It does not introduce a cross-family dependency or change a central family registry.
Shared Semantic Neutrality
The PR adds only families/elf_flow/README.md. It changes no shared code, so the check does not apply.
Shared Change Blast Radius
The PR adds only families/elf_flow/README.md. The diff does not change a shared surface, so the check does not apply.
Full details: Description check
Explanation
The description covers the required template sections, including background, exit criteria, implementation, change category, validation, environment, remaining gaps, self-review, and risk. It gives detailed study results and states that the change is documentation only. An originating issue or discussion link is not included, but the description is otherwise complete.
Full details: Docstring Coverage
Explanation
No eligible functions found in the changed files. Skipping docstring coverage check. Docstring coverage is scoped to functions touched by this diff with cyclomatic complexity of at least 2. Documentation-only edits and deletions within surviving functions are included; unchanged diff context and fully deleted functions are excluded. Analyzed 0 functions across 0 files. (1 skipped: 1 unsupported.)
Full details: Benchmark Validation Integrity
Explanation
The new report compares baseline and FP8 denoiser call times using CUDA graph replay and the same round schedule. It says all built engines passed a non-finite scan. The study code was not merged, so the timing and validation boundaries for each path cannot be verified. The report does not establish whether synchronization, transfers, or validation are included equally.
Resolution
Provide the study harness or equivalent evidence that shows the timed region, synchronization, transfers, and validation for both baseline and FP8 paths.
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Review comments at @families/elf_flow/README.md:
- Line 17: Update the README summary so the 1.7x–1.9x speedup range explicitly
applies only to xsum and de-en, and report OWT’s 2.68x TensorRT 11.1 speedup
separately, consistent with the results table.
- Around line 135-136: Update the README’s token-agreement statement to scope
exact agreement to xsum and de-en, and describe the OWT gate as a minimum
agreement threshold of 0.99 rather than exact agreement. Preserve the distinct
documented semantics of each evaluation gate.
- Line 123: Qualify the README speedup attribution: describe the measured result
as a comparison of the combined all-fp16 configuration, not evidence that FP8
contributed nothing. Account for the block-precision and attention-path changes
in the builder configuration, and avoid attributing the speedup solely to
removing fp32 compute.
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Minor · Functional Correctness · Quick win
Include the OWT speedup in the summary.
The results table reports 2.68x for OWT on TensorRT 11.1, outside the stated 1.7x–1.9x range. Scope that range to xsum and de-en, and report the OWT result separately.
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Review comment at @families/elf_flow/README.md at line 17:
Update the README summary so the 1.7x–1.9x speedup range explicitly applies only
to xsum and de-en, and report OWT’s 2.68x TensorRT 11.1 speedup separately,
consistent with the results table.
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Minor · Functional Correctness · Quick win
Qualify the speedup attribution.
The all-fp16 comparison does not isolate the effect of FP8. It also changes block precision and the attention path in families/elf_flow/builder.py at Lines 170–179. The measurements show that all-fp16 is faster, but not that FP8 contributed nothing to the speedup. (raw.githubusercontent.com)
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Review comment at @families/elf_flow/README.md at line 123:
Qualify the README speedup attribution: describe the measured result as a
comparison of the combined all-fp16 configuration, not evidence that FP8
contributed nothing. Account for the block-precision and attention-path changes
in the builder configuration, and avoid attributing the speedup solely to
removing fp32 compute.
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review. Visit https://docs.coderabbit.ai/cli?utm_source=ghpr
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Minor · Functional Correctness · Quick win
Distinguish the OWT token-agreement threshold.
families/elf_flow/tests/thresholds/elf-b-owt-l0.json sets the minimum agreement to 0.99, not exact agreement. The claim that the manifests check exact agreement could cause a future OWT evaluation to apply the wrong gate. Scope exact agreement to xsum and de-en. (raw.githubusercontent.com)
As per coding guidelines: “Public APIs, CLI flags, bundle fields, metrics, gates, and configuration retain their documented semantics unless the change is explicit.”
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Review comment at @families/elf_flow/README.md around lines 135 - 136:
Update the README’s token-agreement statement to scope exact agreement to xsum
and de-en, and describe the OWT gate as a minimum agreement threshold of 0.99
rather than exact agreement. Preserve the distinct documented semantics of each
evaluation gate.
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Background
families/elf_flowbuilds the ELF-B flow models (embedded-language-flows/ELF-B-xsum,ELF-B-de-en,ELF-B-owt) as a TensorRT denoiser and decoder engine plus a T5-small encoder engine, and has no quantized build. The manifests use fp16 with blocks 5 to 11 in fp32 (xsum 1088 tokens, de-en 128 tokens) and fp32 for owt. No FP8 or NVFP4 checkpoint of ELF exists, so FP8 self-quantization of the four projections of each block was built and measured on TensorRT 11.4 and 11.1 (B200, B300). FP8 does not pay for this family: at the manifest precision, FP8 in the fp16 blocks gives 1.00x to 1.01x; FP8 in all blocks of an all-fp16 engine gives 1.01x to 1.04x. The only large speedup (1.7x to 1.9x on 11.1) comes from replacing the fp32 blocks with FP8, which removes the fp32 blocks the manifests keep for exact token agreement, and those engines do not build on TensorRT 11.4. This change adds a README for the family that records the study, like the yolov10 (#2093), bart (#2004), timesfm (#2005) and marian (#2035) studies, so that it does not have to be repeated. The FP8 code is not part of this change.Exit Criteria
Implementation
families/elf_flow/README.md(new): a short family description and the section "FP8 quantization study (not shipped)": summary and decision, recipe, method, results (manifest precision, all-fp16, FP8 in the fp32 blocks), NVFP4, what was not tried, when to revisit.Recipe that was measured (code kept out of the repository):
attn.qkv,attn.proj,mlp.w12,mlp.w3of the 12 blocks (48 matmuls; 20 when only the fp16 blocks are quantized). Embedders, attention, final layers, decoder head and the T5 encoder stay unquantized.Why no gain: the model is small (12 blocks of 7M parameters) and one call is 0.6 ms to 2.6 ms in fp16, bound by launches, attention, norms and RoPE. At the manifest precision the fp32 blocks set the run time (an all-fp16 engine is 2.1x to 2.4x faster than the xsum and de-en manifest engines), and FP8 in the fp16 blocks does not change it.
Change categories
Validation
Commands and Results
Documentation only.
python3 -m tools.model_ci validatepytest tools/tests/test_architecture.py tools/tests/test_public_source_hygiene.py(CPU)git diff --checkpython3 tools/pr_metadata.py validateon this descriptionThe numbers in the README come from the local study and are not re-run by this change. Denoiser call, median ms, x is baseline time over FP8 time:
FP8 in the fp32 blocks too: 1.72x to 1.86x over the xsum and de-en manifest engines and 2.68x over the owt fp32 engine on TensorRT 11.1, still slower than the all-fp16 engine of the same length; on TensorRT 11.4 these engines fail to build. All outputs of all built engines are finite.
Hardware, Environment, and Revisions
upstream/mainat5801406c.embedded-language-flows/ELF-B-xsumat8150551968f826c4421cf6bdeff9d6e7b766e23d,ELF-B-de-enatc8120fb80e52d4056abb5378cb9acaef3da6e65a,ELF-B-owtat506a81d3ed3b2475e9ae754bae308e10f765d327(manifest revisions; the speed runs use synthetic weights of the same shapes, the fp16 check uses the real weights).build_elf_flow_engineat the manifest precision, sequence length andfp32_layers; CUDA graph replay, median of 9 interleaved rounds (5 on 11.1).Not Run / Remaining Gaps
Contributor Self-Review
Notes For Future Readers
Risk level
Risk rationale: documentation only; one README added, no code, build, bundle or test change.
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