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docs(timm_xception): record why FP8 is not shipped - #2158
families/timm_xception builds timm/xception41.tf_in1k as one TensorRT engine (299 x 299, batch 1, fp16 in the manifest, optimization level 3 since #2123) and has no quantized build. No FP8 or NVFP4 checkpoint of this model exists on the Hub, so FP8 self-quantization of the convolutions (build-time per-channel FP8 weights, ModelOpt-calibrated static activation scales, the convolution recipe of the Inception-v3 and Inception-v4 FP8 builds, #2094 and #2092) was built and measured on TensorRT 11.4 and 11.1. FP8 does not pay for this family: at the family's optimization level 3 it is slower than fp16 on B200 and B300 at batch 1 (0.90x / 0.95x) and at batch 32 (0.94x / 0.92x); only the plan is smaller (-44%). With the depthwise convolutions in FP8 too, batch 1 is still slower (0.86x to 0.87x) and top-1 drops by 0.5 points. This change adds a README for the family that records the study, like the timm_efficientnet (#2102) and yolov10 (#2093) studies, so that it does not have to be repeated. The FP8 code is not part of this change. NVFP4 was not tried: TensorRT does not support NVFP4 on convolutions.
Exit Criteria
The README records the recipe, the method, speed and plan size on B200 and B300 (TensorRT 11.4, 11.1 check), top-1 against PyTorch fp32, the kernel time that explains the missing speedup, the recipe variants (including FP8 depthwise convolutions and the earlier optimization level 1 run), NVFP4 and when to revisit.
No code, test, manifest or bundle change; builds are unchanged.
Non-goals: shipping FP8 or NVFP4 builds, an FP8 manifest or CI case.
Implementation
families/timm_xception/README.md (new): a short family description and the section "FP8 quantization study (not shipped)": summary and decision, recipe, method, results (speed and size, quality, kernel time per group, variants), NVFP4, what was not tried, when to revisit.
Recipe that was measured (code kept out of the repository):
FP8 for the 43 dense convolutions (the 1x1 pointwise half of each separable convolution and the 1x1 shortcut projections); the two stem convolutions, the 3x3 depthwise convolutions and the classifier stay fp16.
Weights: per-output-channel scale amax / 448 of the batch-norm-folded kernel at build time. Activations: static per-tensor scales from ModelOpt FP8_DEFAULT_CFG (max) on 500 ImageNet validation images, one shared Quantize per tensor. fp16 Dequantize.
Why no gain: the depthwise half of every separable convolution stays fp16, so each FP8 pointwise convolution needs its own Quantize after it; the plan grows from 101 to 145 layers and the extra kernels take more time than the FP8 convolutions save. FP8 depthwise convolutions lose too much accuracy (KL 0.103, 13x the recipe) and are still not faster at batch 1.
9 passed, 1 skipped (the real E2E case needs explicit selection; not run, no code change)
Markdown check of the README (table column counts)
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git diff --check
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python3 tools/pr_metadata.py validate on this description
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The numbers in the README come from the local study on this base and are not re-run by this change (optimization level 3, x is fp16 time over FP8 time):
GPU
TensorRT
Batch
fp16 ms
FP8 ms
x
plan MiB fp16 to FP8
B200
11.4
1
0.394
0.438
0.90
54.4 to 30.7
B200
11.4
32
2.345
2.499
0.94
58.0 to 37.5
B300
11.4
1
0.373
0.392
0.95
54.5 to 30.9
B300
11.4
32
2.259
2.448
0.92
57.9 to 37.3
B200
11.1
1
0.393
0.433
0.91
53.1 to 30.7
Top-1 on 1500 held-out images (B200 and B300): PyTorch fp32 79.07%, fp16 engine 79.07%, FP8 engine 79.07% (98.13% agreement with PyTorch top-1, KL mean 0.0077). No NaN or Inf on 2000 images and 29 stress inputs.
Hardware, Environment, and Revisions
Repository: this commit on top of upstream/main at 061ecdc9.
Checkpoint: timm/xception41.tf_in1k at 8a17189361e63c972815ef62f2a30dd5b9f393b1 (manifest revision).
Data: 2000 images of clip-benchmark/wds_imagenet1k validation (every 25th image): 500 for calibration, 1500 held out.
Study: B200 and B300, one GPU per job, all variants built and timed in the same job, TensorRT 11.4.0.106 (target) and 11.1.0.106, torch 2.14.0 (CUDA 13), timm 1.0.28. Reference: the timm PyTorch model in fp32 with the family preprocessing.
Not Run / Remaining Gaps
No code was run for this change; the study cannot be rerun from this repository because the FP8 code was not merged.
Not measured: percentile or entropy calibration, quantization-aware training, other Xception sizes, H100, the native runtime with an FP8 bundle; TensorRT 11.1 on B300.
No problem on main was found during the study.
Contributor Self-Review
I have completed a self-review of this change.
Notes For Future Readers
Suggested review order: "Summary and decision", the kernel time table, "When to revisit".
Revisit FP8 when a TensorRT release fuses the Quantize into the depthwise convolution before each FP8 pointwise convolution, or when an FP8 depthwise recipe keeps accuracy and is faster than fp16 at batch 1.
Risk level
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Medium
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Risk rationale: documentation only; one new README, no code, build, bundle or test change.
Add a README for the timm_xception family with the FP8
self-quantization study of xception41 on TensorRT 11.4 (B200, B300) and
11.1: recipe (per-channel FP8 weights on the 43 dense 1x1 convolutions,
static per-tensor activation scales, stem, depthwise convolutions and
classifier kept fp16), measurement method, speed, plan size, ImageNet
top-1 against PyTorch fp32 and the recipe variants. At the family's
optimization level 3, FP8 is slower than fp16 at batch 1 (0.90x B200,
0.95x B300) and at batch 32 (0.92x to 0.94x), for a 44% smaller plan:
each FP8 pointwise convolution needs its own Quantize after the fp16
depthwise convolution, and the extra kernels take more time than the
FP8 convolutions save. Depthwise convolutions in FP8 are still slower at
batch 1 (0.86x to 0.87x) and lose 0.5 top-1 points. FP8 is not shipped.
NVFP4 was not tried (no NVFP4 convolution in TensorRT).
Documentation only; no code change.
Signed-off-by: Zhenshan Xie <zhenshanx@nvidia.com>
Adds families/timm_xception/README.md to document the Xception-41 TensorRT configuration and an FP8 self-quantization study. The study is not shipped.
The README reports that FP8 was slower than fp16 at batch 1 and 32, despite reducing plan size by 44%. FP8 depthwise convolutions were also slower at batch 1 and reduced top-1 accuracy by 0.5 points. The README records the recipe, measurement method, results, unmeasured alternatives, NVFP4 limitations, and conditions for revisiting FP8.
Architecture impact
Family-owned files: One README was added under families/timm_xception.
Shared surfaces: No shared files changed.
Dependency directions: No code or dependency changes.
Affected consumers: No runtime or build consumers changed. The README documents the family configuration and study.
Blast-radius questions: The diff shows no code-path changes. Broader impact is not available.
Review outcome:PASS for the reviewed evidence. No standards or spec violation was found in the supplied diff. This is not proof that the change is correct.
The new Xception-41 README describes the build configuration and an FP8 study, including its quantization method, measured results, and documented limitations.
Changes: Xception-41 FP8 study
Layer / File(s)
Summary
Build configuration and study summary families/timm_xception/README.md
Documents the batch-1 engine configuration, supported precisions, and measured FP8 comparisons with fp16.
FP8 method and measured results families/timm_xception/README.md
Describes the quantization recipe, calibration and validation procedures, and measured latency, plan size, quality, and profiler results.
Quantization limits and alternatives families/timm_xception/README.md
Records the stated NVFP4 limitations, unmeasured alternatives, and conditions for revisiting FP8.
The reported results support not shipping FP8, but the stated slowdown cause could misdirect future optimization work. Qualifying that explanation is advisable.
Architecture risk: Low · up to 12fa9
The change affects 1 system.
Changed systems:families
Architecture concerns
No architecture-level concerns identified.
Review details
Systems and components
observed — families (service) was modified; 1 changed file maps to changed impact.
Before / after behavior
observed — Modified behavior in families/timm_xception/README.md: Adds the README’s Xception-41 build description and states that the family builds a batch-1 engine at optimization level 3, supports fp16 and fp32, and has no quantized build. Introduces the unshipped FP8 study and reports that measured FP8 variants are slower than fp16 under the stated batch and GPU conditions.
observed — Modified behavior in families/timm_xception/README.md: Adds FP8-versus-fp16 summary metrics and the decision not to ship FP8. The documented depthwise-FP8 variant is faster than the pointwise-only recipe only at batch 32, not faster than fp16 at batch 1, and has a reported 0.5-point top-1 loss.
observed — Modified behavior in families/timm_xception/README.md: Documents the measured FP8 recipe and method: 43 of 84 convolutions are quantized, with specified weight and activation scaling, an outlier rule, fp16 dequantization, calibration data, quality checks, non-finite scans, and timing procedure.
observed — Modified behavior in families/timm_xception/README.md: Adds latency, plan-size, quality, and kernel-profiler result tables for the documented TensorRT versions, GPUs, and batch sizes, including the reported increase in plan layers for the FP8 engines.
Pre-merge checks: 8 · 1
Failed checks: 1 inconclusive
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Benchmark Validation Integrity
The new report compares fp16 and FP8 engine latency, but the measurement boundaries cannot be verified. families/timm_xception/README.md:64-84 states that both variants use CUDA graph replay and rep…
Provide the benchmark harness or an equivalent accounting of the timed fp16 and FP8 paths, including synchronization, transfers, output validation, and aggregation.
Passed checks: 8 passed
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Title check
The title clearly states that the change documents why FP8 is not shipped, which matches the README’s main purpose.
Description check
The description covers the required sections, including background, exit criteria, implementation, change category, validation, environment, remaining gaps, self-review, future-reader notes, and risk …
Docstring Coverage
No eligible functions found in the changed files. Skipping docstring coverage check. Docstring coverage is scoped to functions touched by this diff with cyclomatic complexity of at least 2. Documentat…
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Out of Scope Changes check
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Family Ownership Boundary
The PR adds only families/timm_xception/README.md. It introduces no cross-family dependency or central registry change. The README states that the FP8 code was not merged and that the study used the…
Shared Semantic Neutrality
The PR adds only families/timm_xception/README.md. It changes no shared code, so the check is not applicable.
Shared Change Blast Radius
The PR adds only families/timm_xception/README.md. The README documents a family-specific study and does not change a shared surface.
Full details: Description check
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The description covers the required sections, including background, exit criteria, implementation, change category, validation, environment, remaining gaps, self-review, future-reader notes, and risk rationale.
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No eligible functions found in the changed files. Skipping docstring coverage check. Docstring coverage is scoped to functions touched by this diff with cyclomatic complexity of at least 2. Documentation-only edits and deletions within surviving functions are included; unchanged diff context and fully deleted functions are excluded. Analyzed 0 functions across 0 files. (1 skipped: 1 unsupported.)
Full details: Family Ownership Boundary
Explanation
The PR adds only families/timm_xception/README.md. It introduces no cross-family dependency or central registry change. The README states that the FP8 code was not merged and that the study used the family's own build function.
Full details: Benchmark Validation Integrity
Explanation
The new report compares fp16 and FP8 engine latency, but the measurement boundaries cannot be verified. families/timm_xception/README.md:64-84 states that both variants use CUDA graph replay and reports milliseconds per engine call. The study code was not merged, and the available repository does not contain the Xception FP8 benchmark. The evidence does not show whether synchronization, transfers, or validation have equivalent treatment on both sides.
Resolution
Provide the benchmark harness or an equivalent accounting of the timed fp16 and FP8 paths, including synchronization, transfers, output validation, and aggregation.
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Review comments at @families/timm_xception/README.md:
- Around line 38-39: Revise the README’s profiler interpretation to state that
the B200 “other” group takes more time with FP8 at both batch sizes, while
clarifying that it includes fused convolutions and does not isolate Quantize
overhead or convolution savings. Present Quantize fusion as an optimization to
measure rather than claiming it will improve latency.
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The other group includes fused convolutions, so the table does not isolate Quantize overhead or convolution savings. Treat Quantize fusion as a candidate to measure.
Suggested fix
- grows from 101 to 145 layers, and the kernels outside the convolutions take- more time than the FP8 convolutions save (see the kernel table below).+ grows from 101 to 145 layers. On B200, the profiler's `other` group takes+ more time with FP8 at both batch sizes, but it includes fused convolutions+ and does not isolate Quantize overhead (see the kernel table below).
- faster than fp16 at this size.+ faster than fp16 at this size. Measure the effect on latency; the current+ profiler table does not isolate Quantize overhead.
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Review comment at @families/timm_xception/README.md around lines 38 - 39:
Revise the README’s profiler interpretation to state that the B200 “other” group
takes more time with FP8 at both batch sizes, while clarifying that it includes
fused convolutions and does not isolate Quantize overhead or convolution
savings. Present Quantize fusion as an optimization to measure rather than
claiming it will improve latency.
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Background
families/timm_xceptionbuildstimm/xception41.tf_in1kas one TensorRT engine (299 x 299, batch 1, fp16 in the manifest, optimization level 3 since #2123) and has no quantized build. No FP8 or NVFP4 checkpoint of this model exists on the Hub, so FP8 self-quantization of the convolutions (build-time per-channel FP8 weights, ModelOpt-calibrated static activation scales, the convolution recipe of the Inception-v3 and Inception-v4 FP8 builds, #2094 and #2092) was built and measured on TensorRT 11.4 and 11.1. FP8 does not pay for this family: at the family's optimization level 3 it is slower than fp16 on B200 and B300 at batch 1 (0.90x / 0.95x) and at batch 32 (0.94x / 0.92x); only the plan is smaller (-44%). With the depthwise convolutions in FP8 too, batch 1 is still slower (0.86x to 0.87x) and top-1 drops by 0.5 points. This change adds a README for the family that records the study, like the timm_efficientnet (#2102) and yolov10 (#2093) studies, so that it does not have to be repeated. The FP8 code is not part of this change. NVFP4 was not tried: TensorRT does not support NVFP4 on convolutions.Exit Criteria
Implementation
families/timm_xception/README.md(new): a short family description and the section "FP8 quantization study (not shipped)": summary and decision, recipe, method, results (speed and size, quality, kernel time per group, variants), NVFP4, what was not tried, when to revisit.Recipe that was measured (code kept out of the repository):
FP8_DEFAULT_CFG(max) on 500 ImageNet validation images, one shared Quantize per tensor. fp16 Dequantize.Why no gain: the depthwise half of every separable convolution stays fp16, so each FP8 pointwise convolution needs its own Quantize after it; the plan grows from 101 to 145 layers and the extra kernels take more time than the FP8 convolutions save. FP8 depthwise convolutions lose too much accuracy (KL 0.103, 13x the recipe) and are still not faster at batch 1.
Change categories
Validation
Commands and Results
Documentation only.
python3 -m tools.model_ci validatepytest tools/tests/test_architecture.py tools/tests/test_public_source_hygiene.py(CPU)pytest families/timm_xception/tests(B200, TensorRT 11.4 / 11.1)git diff --checkpython3 tools/pr_metadata.py validateon this descriptionThe numbers in the README come from the local study on this base and are not re-run by this change (optimization level 3, x is fp16 time over FP8 time):
Top-1 on 1500 held-out images (B200 and B300): PyTorch fp32 79.07%, fp16 engine 79.07%, FP8 engine 79.07% (98.13% agreement with PyTorch top-1, KL mean 0.0077). No NaN or Inf on 2000 images and 29 stress inputs.
Hardware, Environment, and Revisions
upstream/mainat061ecdc9.timm/xception41.tf_in1kat8a17189361e63c972815ef62f2a30dd5b9f393b1(manifest revision).clip-benchmark/wds_imagenet1kvalidation (every 25th image): 500 for calibration, 1500 held out.Not Run / Remaining Gaps
Contributor Self-Review
Notes For Future Readers
Risk level
Risk rationale: documentation only; one new README, no code, build, bundle or test change.
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