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Expand Up @@ -64,3 +64,148 @@ SDK benchmark worker. The existing reference policy still excludes input
preparation (`task-model-call-wall`), while the native public Task call includes
family preprocessing. This fixes reduction/reporting placement, not that existing
scope difference, and does not establish a performance improvement.

## FP8 quantization study (not shipped)

FP8 self-quantization of the convolutions was built and measured on TensorRT
11.4 (and 11.1) for `timm/mobilenetv3_large_100.ra_in1k`. It is not shipped:
FP8 is slower than fp16 at batch 1 (0.89x to 0.90x) and at batch 32 and 128
(0.91x to 0.94x), and ImageNet top-1 drops by 0.9 points. This section records
the recipe, the method and the numbers, so that the study does not have to be
repeated. The FP8 code was not merged; this family has no FP8 build. The same
study for timm EfficientNet is in `families/timm_efficientnet/README.md`.

### Summary and decision

| Item | fp16 (manifest) | FP8 (fp16 engine) | FP8 vs fp16 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Latency, batch 1, B200 / B300 (TensorRT 11.4) | 0.272 / 0.276 ms | 0.304 / 0.308 ms | 0.89x / 0.90x |
| Latency, batch 32, B200 / B300 (TensorRT 11.4) | 0.618 / 0.589 ms | 0.682 / 0.640 ms | 0.91x / 0.92x |
| Latency, batch 128, B200 / B300 (TensorRT 11.4) | 1.510 / 1.404 ms | 1.614 / 1.550 ms | 0.94x / 0.91x |
| Plan size, batch 1, B200 | 11.7 MiB | 10.7 MiB | -9% |
| ImageNet top-1, B200 (PyTorch fp32 77.00%) | 77.07% | 76.20% | -0.9 points |
| Non-finite outputs | 0 | 0 | none |

Decision: do not ship FP8 for timm MobileNetV3.

- Speed: the FP8 1x1 convolutions take about the same kernel time as the fp16
ones. They are small (16 to 960 channels) and limited by activation traffic,
not by math. The Quantize layers that do not fuse into the producing layer
(after residual adds, activations and squeeze-excite products) add 17 to 18
layers and make the FP8 engine slower.
- The 15 depthwise convolutions stay fp16. In FP8, TensorRT 11.4 splits each
depthwise (grouped) convolution into one convolution per group: the plan grows
from 112 to 2092 layers, the build takes 146 s instead of 19 s, and batch 1 is
21x slower (5.82 ms instead of 0.274 ms on B200).
- Quality: per-tensor 8-bit activations cost 0.9 top-1 points on this mobile
network. PyTorch fake quantization of the same recipe loses about the same, so
the loss comes from the recipe, not from TensorRT.
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Minor · Functional Correctness · Quick win

Attribute the accuracy loss to the full recipe.

The comparison quantizes both weights and activations. The fake-quantization result uses the same recipe, so it does not isolate the loss from per-tensor activations. Report the loss as a recipe result unless an activation-only comparison is available.

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Review comment at @families/timm_mobilenetv3/README.md around lines 100 - 102:
Update the accuracy statement in the README to attribute the reported loss to
the full quantization recipe, not specifically to per-tensor activations or
TensorRT. Preserve the reported comparison while clarifying that the evidence
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- TensorRT builder optimization level: the numbers here use the family's
current level 1. At level 3 the fp16 engine is faster (batch 1: 0.219 ms on
B200 and 0.226 ms on B300, 1.23x and 1.22x over level 1, measured for the
level change in #2123), so the FP8 gap would only grow. FP8 at level 3 was not

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Minor · Functional Correctness · Quick win

Supported by static analysis

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sed -n '85,112p' families/timm_mobilenetv3/README.md
git diff f6550736a3da1a2733ea1c7f3d617379cdd8d61e 853c562e88dd081f6caeacebfaea7fa699788477 -- families/timm_mobilenetv3/README.md

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Remove the level-3 FP8 gap prediction.

The fp16 result alone does not establish how the gap changes at level 3.

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--- "a/families/timm_mobilenetv3/README.md"
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@@ -103,8 +103,7 @@
 - TensorRT builder optimization level: the numbers here use the family's
   current level 1. At level 3 the fp16 engine is faster (batch 1: 0.219 ms on
   B200 and 0.226 ms on B300, 1.23x and 1.22x over level 1, measured for the
-  level change in #2123), so the FP8 gap would only grow. FP8 at level 3 was not
-  measured.
+  level change in #2123). FP8 at level 3 was not measured.
 
 ### Recipe that was measured
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Review comment at @families/timm_mobilenetv3/README.md at line 106:
Remove the claim that the FP8 gap would grow from the level change in the README
text; retain the statement that FP8 at level 3 was not measured.

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measured.

### Recipe that was measured

No FP8 or NVFP4 checkpoint of this model exists on the Hub, and no official
quantization config exists for it. Each quantized convolution is built as
`input -> Quantize -> Dequantize(fp16) -> Convolution(+bias)`, with the kernel
`FP8 constant -> Dequantize(fp16, axis 0)`.

| Choice | Decision |
|---|---|
| Quantized (30 of 63 convolutions) | every pointwise (1x1) convolution on a spatial map larger than 1x1 |
| fp16 | the 3x3 stem (3 input channels), the 15 depthwise convolutions, the 16 squeeze-excite convolutions and the head convolution (on a 1x1 map), the classifier |
| Weight scale | per output channel, amax / 448 of the batch-norm-folded kernel, at build time |
| Activation scale | static, per tensor, max \|input\| / 448 over 500 calibration images (the statistic of ModelOpt max calibration), read from an fp32 engine of the family graph |
| Outlier rule | a scale above 20x the median of its kind stays fp16; measured: no outlier |
| Dequantize type | fp16; no non-finite value, fp32 Dequantize was not needed |

### Method

- GPUs: B200 and B300, one GPU per job; TensorRT 11.4.0.106 (target) and
11.1.0.106.
- Data: 2000 ImageNet validation images from `clip-benchmark/wds_imagenet1k`
(every 25th image of each shard, shuffled with seed 0): the first 500 for
calibration, the other 1500 held out. Family preprocessing.
- Quality: top-1 against the labels, top-1 agreement and KL divergence against
the timm PyTorch fp32 model on the 1500 held-out images, batch 1.
- Non-finite scan: the 2000 images and 29 stress inputs (noise with standard
deviation 1, 3 and 10, constants), all variants, B200 and B300.
- Speed: CUDA graph replay, median of 7 interleaved rounds of 200 calls, all
variants built and timed in one job per GPU type, spread at most 1.4% (1.7%
in the depthwise job). Batch
32 and 128 are scratch builds (the family builds batch 1 only).

### Results

Speed and size (ms per engine call; x is fp16 time over FP8 time):

| GPU | TensorRT | Batch | fp32 ms | fp16 ms | FP8 ms | x | plan MiB fp16 to FP8 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| B200 | 11.4 | 1 | 0.343 | 0.272 | 0.304 | 0.89 | 11.7 to 10.7 |
| B200 | 11.4 | 32 | 0.992 | 0.618 | 0.682 | 0.91 | 14.3 to 14.3 |
| B200 | 11.4 | 128 | 2.995 | 1.510 | 1.614 | 0.94 | 23.5 to 26.5 |
| B300 | 11.4 | 1 | 0.324 | 0.276 | 0.308 | 0.90 | 11.3 to 10.2 |
| B300 | 11.4 | 32 | 0.953 | 0.589 | 0.640 | 0.92 | 14.5 to 14.5 |
| B300 | 11.4 | 128 | 2.850 | 1.404 | 1.550 | 0.91 | 23.8 to 26.6 |
| B200 | 11.1 | 1 | - | 0.277 | 0.306 | 0.90 | 11.7 to 10.8 |

Quality (1500 held-out images, batch 1):

| Engine | Top-1 | Agreement with PyTorch top-1 | KL mean | KL p99 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| PyTorch fp32 | 77.00% | - | - | - |
| fp16 engine (B200) | 77.07% | 99.73% | < 0.0001 | < 0.001 |
| FP8 engine (B200) | 76.20% | 93.47% | 0.0385 | 0.325 |
| FP8 engine (B300) | 76.27% | 93.67% | 0.0388 | 0.316 |
| FP8 engine (B200, TensorRT 11.1) | 76.53% | 93.27% | 0.0386 | 0.308 |
| PyTorch fake quantization of the same recipe | 76.33% | 93.27% | 0.0374 | 0.327 |

Kernel time per group, B200, TensorRT 11.4 (layer profiler, ms; the profiler
adds time per layer, so the sums are larger than the latencies above):

| Kernel group | fp16 batch 1 | FP8 batch 1 | fp16 batch 128 | FP8 batch 128 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| convolutions | 0.497 | 0.256 fp16 + 0.261 FP8 = 0.516 | 1.495 | 0.817 fp16 + 0.656 FP8 = 1.473 |
| other (pointwise, Quantize, pooling, classifier) | 0.330 | 0.453 | 0.584 | 0.780 |
| layers in the plan | 112 | 130 | 107 | 124 |

Variants (TensorRT 11.4, B200; x is fp16 time over variant time):

| Variant | x batch 1 / 32 / 128 | plan MiB batch 1 | Top-1 | KL mean |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| recipe above | 0.89 / 0.91 / 0.94 | 10.7 | 76.20% | 0.0385 |
| + 3x3 stem in FP8 | 0.89 / 0.81 / 0.77 | 10.8 (93.9 at batch 128) | 76.20% | 0.0476 |
| per-tensor weight scale | 0.90 / 0.91 / 0.93 | 10.7 | 75.47% | 0.0683 |
| batch norm kept as a scale layer | 0.90 / 0.91 / 0.94 | 10.7 | 76.33% | 0.0382 |
| + depthwise convolutions in FP8 (separate job) | 0.047 / 0.070 / - | 23.1 (2092 layers) | 74.73% | 0.1065 |

The depthwise row comes from a separate B200 and B300 job (batch 1 and 32, with
fp16 and the recipe above rebuilt and timed in the same job: 0.90x and 0.90x on
B200, 0.91x and 0.92x on B300). On B300 the depthwise FP8 engine is 0.051x at
batch 1 and 0.073x at batch 32, with 75.00% top-1. PyTorch fake quantization
with the depthwise convolutions also in FP8 gives 75.20% top-1.

### NVFP4 (not tried)

TensorRT does not support NVFP4 on convolutions (block-scaled FP4 needs a 2-D
GEMM), FP8 already loses 0.9 top-1 points, and the engine is not limited by
weight reads (plan under 12 MiB).

### What was not tried

| Item | Note |
|---|---|
| Percentile or entropy calibration, quantization-aware training | not measured; could recover accuracy, not speed |
| FP8 at TensorRT builder optimization level 3 | not measured; fp16 gains 1.22x to 1.23x at level 3 |
| Other MobileNetV3 sizes, H100, native runtime with an FP8 bundle | not measured |

### When to revisit

- A TensorRT release with FP8 1x1 convolution kernels that are faster than
fp16 for small channel counts, and that fuses the Quantize into the producing
layer after residual adds, activations and squeeze-excite products.
- A TensorRT FP8 kernel for depthwise (grouped) convolutions that keeps one
layer per convolution.
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